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From
one of us:
Each
month, I would like to publish a
short article coming from one of
YOU, in English or in French! It
will be up to you to chose the
subject, as long as it remains
"genealogically
correct".
From
CarolannT with her
permission.
MY
SEARCH FOR MARIE
GILBERT
by
Carol Ann Grenier
Turner
In
the course of any genealogy
project, one invariably stumbles
across a proverbial "brick wall."
Until recently, the ever-elusive
Marie Gilbert* was MY "brick
wall."
Marie
Gilbert and Raphael Vachon were
married February 25, 1840 at
Sainte Marie de la Nouvelle
Beauce, located in Beauce County,
Province of Quebec. However,
unlike most French-Catholic
marriages of this time period,
Marie Gilbert's parents were not
named in either the parish nor
the prothonotaire's records. Nor
did the documents state "parents
unknown," as is often the case
with orphans and/or illegitimate
births. My one somewhat hopeful
lead was that the bride's two
witnesses were also said to be
her Uncles Jean and Francois
Samson.
In
October of 1995, I had occasion
to visit the National Archives of
Quebec in Montreal, whereupon
consulting with an archivist I
learned that I should search
their files for the possible
existence of a marriage contract
between the prospective bride and
groom. As luck would have it I
quickly discovered a marriage
contract for the young couple, as
well as a notarized land
transaction that had occurred
between Raphael Vachon and his
"natural" uncle, Jean Samson and
his wife, Genevieve Gregoire. The
land given to Raphael and Marie
three days prior to their
marriage had perhaps been a
wedding gift, but one of awesome
proportion, given that the
relationship seemed to be merely
one of nephew and niece. To
explain further, Jean Samson's
wife was Genevieve Gregoire,
sister to Marguerite Gregoire,
mother of the groom.
Nevertheless, I was somewhat
confused by the fact that both
Jean and François Samson,
the bride's two witnesses were
referred by the couple as "both"
of their uncles. To complicate
the issue further, the marriage
contract identified Marie Gilbert
as a "fille naturelle" or,
bluntly stated: illegitimate.
Given that both the marriage
documents and contract indicated
that Marie was a "fille majeure,"
(over twenty-one years of age) at
the time of the event in 1840, I
continued searching for other
illegitimate birth records at
Sainte Marie prior to 1820.
Should such an entry be found,
the shrewd archivist had
instructed me to pay very close
attention to the identity of the
Godparents.
One
good possibility was that on
September 15, 1818 at Sainte
Marie, an illegitimate baby girl
simply named "Marie" had indeed
been born to unknown parents, but
whose Godparents were Thomas
Bilodeau and Catherine Carrier.
It had been my hope and dream
that this possible candidate
baptized "Marie" would have
Godparents named either Samson or
Gregoire, certainly not Bilodeau
or Carrier! Those names meant
absolutely nothing to me, and for
the "umteenth" time, I was left
absolutely clueless. The
prospects of this being a "match"
looked pretty
grim.
After
recovering from having the wind
taken out of my sails, I
"re-grouped" and persisted with
my research. Knowing from the
marriage record that Raphael
Vachon's home church was the
nearby parish of St. Elzear, I
concentrated my efforts there in
the hopes of finding additional
clues.
Suddenly
the tides began turning, as St.
Elzear became a veritable "mother
lode" of information. There I
found numerous records of births,
marriages and deaths not only for
Marie and Raphael's children, but
for other family members as well.
The "plot " started to thicken
when I learned that following
Raphael's death in 1862 Marie had
remarried three years later to
someone named François
Vachon (relationship to Raphael
unknown, but interestingly
enough, 22 years her junior!).
St. Elzear had recorded Marie's
death as having taken place in
1882 at the age of sixty-four,
reaffirming that she had indeed
been born in 1818, the exact year
of "Marie's" illegitimate birth
found at Sainte Marie. Having
unsuccessfully searched the birth
records from the three
neighboring parishes of St.
Joseph, St. François and
St. Elzear for any other
possibilities convinced me that I
must be on the right
track.
It
was also very interesting to note
that the documentation for
several of Marie and Raphael's
children born at St. Elzear had
properly identified Raphael
Vachon as their legitimate
father, but in Marie's case her
last name of Gilbert had been
entirely omitted. In fact, on one
occasion Marie's last name of
Gilbert had been purposely
smudged over with ink. Although
unthinkable today, it was as if
the parish priests knew of Marie
Gilbert's humble beginnings and
had attempted to obliterate her
family name from her own
children's baptismal records.
Little did that record keeper
know that one hundred and fifty
six years later Raphael and
Marie's great-great-great
granddaughter would be viewing
his act with an entirely
different perspective. This made
me exceedingly sad, and with that
information stuck in my craw, I
became more determined than ever
to find her true
parentage--illegitimate or
not.
Armed
with the knowledge that on
September 15, 1818 an
illegitimate baby girl named
Marie had been born at Sainte
Marie, I forged ahead,
re-examining the films frame-by-
frame for further evidence to
under-gird my research. The
archivist had warned me to pay
close attention to the identity
of the Godparents, as oftentimes
in the French-Canadian culture,
grandparents also act as
Godparents. The next step was for
me to find what the possible link
was, if any, between Thomas
Bilodeau and Catherine Carrier,
Marie's Godparents and the
Vachon, Gilbert, Gregoire, and
Samson families. I was about to
be pleasantly
surprised!
After
an undetermined number of hours
researching the parish records of
Saint Marie's, I came across a
rather revealing entry. It seems
that in 1820 a marriage had taken
place between Jean Jacques and
Marie Louise Dupuis dit Gilbert.
Although Jean Jacques' father was
deceased at the time, his mother
was none other than the infamous
Catherine Carrier, Godmother to
the "illegitimate" Marie born on
September 15,
1818!!!
At
this point I had TWO solid links
to Marie Gilbert: first,
Catherine Carrier, who was
Marie's Godmother, and secondly,
Marie-Louise Dupuis dit Gilbert,
the 1820 bride of Jean Jacques,
whose mother just "happened" to
be Catherine Carrier. At last,
could these be the ever-elusive
connections for which I had long
hoped to find? Was it merely a
coincidence that Marie Louise's
family name was also Gilbert? I
think not! I was convinced beyond
a shadow of a doubt that this was
a definite BINGO!
One
can only speculate as to why Jean
Jacques and Marie Louise Gilbert
did not marry prior to Marie's
birth in 1818. Upon finding Jean
Jacques and Marie Louise's birth
records it was noted that Jean
was seven years senior to the
seventeen-year old Marie Louise.
Perhaps both families felt that
Jean was too mature and Marie
Louise too young for the
prospects of an enduring
marriage, especially given the
present circumstances of Marie
Louise being "with child".
Another factor could have been
that the recently widowed (1814)
Catherine Carrier may have had a
dire need for her eldest son to
remain on the family
farm.
At
this time I am certain that there
is a "family connection" to
Thomas Bilodeau, but I can only
surmise that he was a family
member, possibly an uncle of
similar vintage to the elder Jean
Jacques, Marie Gilbert's paternal
grandfather. To further solidify
my position, a birth record for a
child born to Jean Jacques and
Marie Louise list the Godfather
as being François
Bilodeau, a brother to
Thomas.
Other
than the fact that Jean Samson's
wife, Genevieve, was a sister to
Raphael's mother, Marguerite,
leaves one wondering why such a
close relationship existed
between Marie Gilbert and the
Jean Samsons. An educated guess
and a careful search of Beauce
County parish records indicate
that Jean Samson and Genevieve
Gregoire were most likely
childless, as evidence of their
having children could not be
found. Since the custom of the
day pretty much dictated that
unmarried mothers rarely, if ever
kept their babies, it may be
correctly assumed that Marie
Gilbert may have been entrusted
to Jean Samson and Genevieve
Gregoire to raise as their
own.
*Marie
Gilbert and Raphael Vachon are my
third great-grandparents on my
father's side.
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Site to visit:
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http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/
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A
Few Québec
Surnames:
ABRAHAM,
ALBERT, ALLARD, ANDERSON,
ARCHAMBAULT, ARMURY, ARSENAULT,
ASSOUR, AUBERT, AUCLAIR dit
LECLERC, AVARD
BADAILLAC
dit LAPLANTE, BANLIAC, BARTLETT
(BERTHELET), BASTIEN, BEAUCHAMP,
BEAUPRÉ, BÉLANGER,
BERGERON, BERNIER, BERTRAND,
BÉRUBÉ, BISSOT,
BLANCHARD, BOUCHER, BOUDROT,
BOUSQUET, BOUTET, BRAZEAU,
BRODEUR, BROUSSEAU, BRULÉ,
BRUNEL (BRUNELLE),
BRUNET
CARON,
CARRIER, CASAVAN, CAYÉ,
CERÉ, CHAGNON dit LAROSE,
CHAPDELAINE, CHAPUT, CHAREST,
CHARETTE, CHARON, CHARTIER,
CHINIQUY, CHORET, CHOUINARD,
CONSTANTINEAU, CONTANT, de
CORDÉ, COUILLARD,
COURCHESNE, COURTIN, COUSINEAU,
CÔTÉ, CREVIER dit
DUVERNAY, CROMP, CUSSON,
CYR
DAIGLE,
D'AILLEBOUST, DAMOURS, DANIS,
D'ARGENTEUL, DAVENPORT, DEGUIRE,
DEMERS, DENAULT, DENIS de la
RONDE, DEROCHER, DESAUTELS,
DESJARLAIS, DESJARDINS, DESLANDES
dit CHAMPIGNY, DESPINS,
DESROCHERS, DESROSIERS (Laniel
dit Desrosiers), DEVOST, DION,
DIONNE, DODIER, DOMINÉ dit
ST-SAUVEUR, DOUCET, DRAPEAU,
DROGUE, DUFRESNE, DUHAMEL,
DUMAIS, DUMONT, DUPUIS, DUQUET,
DUTILLY
FARIBAULT,
FAUTEL, FONTAINE, FORTIN,
FRÉGAULT
GAUDET,
GAGNÉ, GAGNON, GAMELIN,
GAUDRY, GAUTHIER, GAUVIN,
GENDREAU, GIGUÈRE, GIRARD,
GIROUX, GODIN, GOES de GREY,
GOSSELIN, GRANDMAISON, GRONDIN,
GUÉRET dit DUMONT,
GUERTIN, GUYON or
DION
HACHÉ
dit GALLANT, HAMON, HATFIELD,
HÉBERT, HERVIEUX,
HÉTU, HOUDE, HOULE, HUDON
dit BEAULIEU, HUNAULT,
HUS
JACOB
dit LANGLAIS, JARRET de
VERCHÈRE, JARRET dit
BEAUREGARD
KIPP,
KNAPP
LABERGE,
LABONNE, LACHANCE, de LACORNE,
LADUE, LAGACÉ, LALANCETTE,
LANGLAIS, LAMOTHE, LAMOUREUX,
LANDRY, LAPLANTE,
LAVALLÉE, LEBEL, LEBRUN,
LECLERC dit LAFRENAYE, LEDUC,
LEGARDEUR, LÉGER,
LEMAÎTRE dit AUGER, LEMAY,
LEMIEUX, LEMOYNE de LONGUEUIL,
LEPROHON, LEVASSEUR,
LÉVESQUE, LOEDEL,
LUSSIER
MAGUET
dit MAILLÉ, de MANTHET,
MARCEAU, MARIER, MARQUIS, MARTEL,
MARGANE de LAVALTRIE, MARION,
MARTIN, MARTIN-BEAULIEU,
MELANÇON, MÉNARD,
MERCIER, MESSIER, MICHAUD,
MICHON, MIGNAULT dit LABRIE,
MIGNIER dit LAGACÉ,
MIVILLE dit DESCHÊNES,
MONET, MONTREUIL,
MOREAU
NADEAU,
NADON, NAULT dit
LABRIE
OUELLET
PARÉ,
PARENT, PECAUDY, PELLETIER,
PEPIN, PEPIN dit LACHANCE,
PERRAULT, PETIT, PHILIPPEAU,
PIUZE, POITRAS, PRÉVOST,
PRIMOT
QUEVILLON
RACINE,
RAMEZAY, ROBICHAUD, POIRIER,
RAYMOND, RAYNAUD dit BLANCHARD,
RIVARD, ROBERT, ROBIDOUX,
ROLLAND, ROULEAU, ROY, ROY dit
DESJARDINS et
LAUZIER
SAUCIER,
SAVOIE, SÉDILOT dit
MONTREUIL, SÉNÉCAL,
SÉNÉCHAL, SICARD,
SOUCY, ST-GERMAIN,
ST-LAURENT
TALBOT,
TARIEU de LANAUDIÈRE,
TÉTRAULT,
THÉRIAULT, THIBAULT,
TRUDEAU, TRUDEL
VAILLANCOURT,
VALADE, VALIN, VANASSE dit
BASTIEN, VEL dit SANSOUCY,
VERONNEAU, VIGNEUX
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