January 3, 1996 Wednesday LateNite Chat Special Lecture: "Researching Funeral Home Records" Lecturer: GFS Mark (Mark Barker) in his last appearance as host of Late Nite Chat with Q & A from session participants and all chat after the lecture left intact, hugs and all! SnoopyNut: DMiller, this is about to be the Wed LateNight Chat! Mark is giving a talk on Funeral homes SnoopyNut: DMiller, Mark is a funeral home director and he is going to tell us what records we can get SnoopyNut: Right Mark?? GFS Mark: right STurney662: can anyone give me any advice on how to find my brother who I haven't seen since 1979? WTHR1: STurney, have you checked the telephone CD? GFS WillM: STurney, was he adopted? GFS Mark: STurney662, was he in military? STurney662: no where do I go for that. No he wasn't. He's my half brother. Don't know about military GFS WillM: Sturney, To find out if he was in the military. I'm sending you email. OK? STurney662: ok thanks WTHR1: Y'all wanna check out my new web page?? WTHR1: NShurtleff, where do you live? There are Shurtleff's here in NC WTHR1: http://www.geopages.com/SiliconValley/2929/ It's the Kimball Online web page! WTHR1: Took 4 days to get the first page to look just right!! :) NShurtleff: WT, I live in Austin, TX. My husband probably connects to the NC Shurtleffs back in Plymout WTHR1: William, how much do you know about the different civil war units? STurney662: wthri, how do i check the phone cd? WTHR1: STurney, some phone CD's let you check by name. Mine has to know which state, so it's WTHR1: kind of tough! WTHR1: STurney, but if you have an idea of what state, I can take a look around for you. STurney662: california GFS LynnB: Tonight, we will be having a lecture! GFS LynnB: We will be observing "PROTOCOL". During the talk, we will give our speaker a GFS LynnB: chance to "talk" uninterrupted. PLEASE HOLD ALL COMMENTS FROM THE GFS LynnB: MAIN SCREEN UNTIL THE SPEAKER IS FINISHED. There will be time for GFS LynnB: Q-&-A after the talk. At that time, if you have a question, type a to the GFS LynnB: screen. If you have a comment, type a to the screen. You will be called in GFS LynnB: the order that your ? or ! appeared on the screen (called "queue"). **PLEASE** GFS LynnB: DO NOT START TO SPEAK WHEN YOU SEE YOUR NAME IN THE QUEUE GFS LynnB: -- WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE CALLED UPON BY OUR SPEAKER! It helps if you GFS LynnB: have your question typed in and ready to send. After you send your question GFS LynnB: or comment, PLEASE type < /GA > when you are finished to signify that you GFS LynnB: are done. GFS LynnB: DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND PROTOCOL? STurney662: y PR Girl 71: y WTHR1: y Pak327: y SheriLCW: y SnoopyNut: y GFS LynnB: OK, then, if you do, let me introduce our speaker Chedawn: y GFS LynnB: Tonight, we have a special guest lecturer! For our first night in the Family GFS LynnB: TreeHouse and his last appearance as host of LateNite Chat, GFS Mark will be GFS LynnB: giving us a talk on RESEARCHING FUNERAL HOME RECORDS. GFS LynnB: Please REMEMBER to hold your questions and comments until after he GFS LynnB: finishes speaking. When it is your turn, GFS Mark will call on you. Without GFS LynnB: further ado, I present.....GFS Mark! GFS LynnB: It's all yours, Mark! GFS Mark: Researching funeral home records is a much-neglected genealogical tool. GFS Mark: These seldom-tapped records can be a goldmine for the researcher, often GFS Mark: yielding information unobtainable elsewhere. First, we will look at what you can GFS Mark: expect to find in these records, and then we will discuss methods for gaining GFS Mark: access to them.One category of information in these records is the death GFS Mark: certificate data. Contrary to popular notion, the funeral director, not the doctor, GFS Mark: is the person responsible for initiating and filing the death certificate. So, in the GFS Mark: funeral home file will be much of the basic genealogical information about an GFS Mark: individual: full name, date and place of birth, date and place of death, marital GFS Mark: status at death, name of spouse (if living), name of father, full maiden name of GFS Mark: mother, place of residence at death, occupation, whether the person had GFS Mark: military service, GFS Mark: name and location of cemetery. In some cases, the parents' places of birth -at GFS Mark: least the state- will be included. Also listed will be the name, address and GFS Mark: relationship of the "informant", the person who supplied the information to the GFS Mark: funeral director. All states did not require death certificates until the second GFS Mark: decade of this century, so earlier funeral homes records will not yield as much GFS Mark: of this type information as more recent ones. There may be only an entry in a GFS Mark: daybook regarding the charge for the funeral! Even after death certificates GFS Mark: became required, compliance was spotty for a while, and many funeral directors GFS Mark: merely filled out a certificate form by hand and filed it with the health GFS Mark: department but failed to make a copy for the funeral home file. There is much GFS Mark: more to be found in the typical funeral file. The funeral direcor is also GFS Mark: responsible for placing obituaries in the news media, so the file will probably GFS Mark: have a list of the surviving immediate relatives: spouse, children, siblings, GFS Mark: parents. Sometimes the names of grandchildren, in-laws, and other relatives are GFS Mark: included. The city and state of residence of each of those listed is usually GFS Mark: noted. In addition, there is usually some biographical information: former GFS Mark: residences, educational institutions attended, employment, church affiliation, GFS Mark: military service, memberships in clubs, lodges and other organizations, GFS Mark: hobbies, civic endeavors, personal accomplishments, honors, etc. There may GFS Mark: even be mention of the individual's ancestors and perhaps siblings who had died GFS Mark: before this person. Even the person's date of marriage may be noted. There will GFS Mark: probably be a list of the newspapers in which the person's obituary appeared. GFS Mark: You can use this list to obtain copies of the actual obituaries. There is one GFS Mark: caution at this point: ALL of this information MAY be accurate, or it may be rife GFS Mark: with errors. It is only as reliable as the person who gave it. For that reason, you GFS Mark: should plan to use what you obtain from the funeral file as a guide to further GFS Mark: research. If possible, everything should be verified by documentary evidence GFS Mark: from official sources: birth certificates, marriage records, etc. In many cases, GFS Mark: the funeral home records will also contain copies of some or all of the following: GFS Mark: military service record, marriage certificate, birth certificate, insurance GFS Mark: policies,and last will and testament. There may also be details about the GFS Mark: location of the grave and the type of monument or marker there There may even GFS Mark: be a photograph of the person in the file! Other items, not necessarily GFS Mark: genealogical but interesting, are notes about the funeral services: officiating GFS Mark: minister, pallbearers, music, etc. Now that your appetite for these records is GFS Mark: sharpened, we come to the hard part: gaining access to funeral home GFS Mark: records.The most important thing to remember about funeral home records is GFS Mark: that they are PRIVATE records and the funeral home has NO obligation to GFS Mark: permit you to examine them. Your unexpected appearance at the funeral home GFS Mark: office demanding to see funeral records from decades ago would likely kill your GFS Mark: chances of EVER getting the information. Funeral homes are not in the archives GFS Mark: business, so older records are usually not readily available, IF they still exist at GFS Mark: all! Many funeral homes keep recent records in file folders in cabinets easily GFS Mark: accessible to the staff. These are usually kept alphabetically by year. Others GFS Mark: use bound funeral record books, in which the records are entered GFS Mark: chronologically, with pertinent papers kept separately.Seldom is an index GFS Mark: maintained, so knowing the year of death is usually required. Even when there GFS Mark: is an index, it may be incomplete due to clerical oversights in entering names GFS Mark: over the years. Practices vary among funeral homes, but usually older records GFS Mark: -after ten years or so- are placed in storage..in the attic, or basement, or GFS Mark: garage, often in no particular order .As a practical matter, they are then very GFS Mark: difficult to retrieve. In many cases, particularly with firms over a hundred years GFS Mark: old or that have changed ownership several times, the very old records have GFS Mark: either been destroyed or no one presently on the staff has any idea where they GFS Mark: are! I recently spoke with a fellow funeral director who is the current head of his GFS Mark: family's mortuary that has been under the same family's ownership since 1882. GFS Mark: He has NO records prior to 1945! During a move to a new location in the 1960s, GFS Mark: all the old records were thrown out! Another complicating factor is the funeral GFS Mark: director's reluctance to release information that might be sensitive. A family he GFS Mark: has served has entrusted him with some private information that they might not GFS Mark: want passed out to just anyone, so the funeral home might require approval from GFS Mark: the family before releasing anything to you. This is particularly true of records for GFS Mark: deaths occurring in recent years. In any case, you will probably not be allowed GFS Mark: to browse through the records; most likely, you will be required to ask for GFS Mark: specific information and a staff memebr will retrieve that for you from the file. GFS Mark: Since retrieving old records is not an everyday activity and is usually a bother GFS Mark: (dank basements, stuffy attics, dusty boxes), many staff members are not very GFS Mark: cooperative.This is especially so if the researcher shows up at an inconvenient GFS Mark: time.The best way to obtain information from these records is to write ( yes, GFS Mark: write) the manager of the funeral home, asking for specific information about a GFS Mark: specific individual. Enclose a stamped, self-addressed envelope and offer to pay GFS Mark: for any copying expenses. While the manager might not do the actual search, GFS Mark: you can be reasonably sure that he or she will be receptive to your request and GFS Mark: will see that it is answered. You may hit it lucky and receive photocopies of GFS Mark: everything in the file. Unless there is a lot of material to copy, there will probably GFS Mark: be no charge for the copies. After all, the manager, perhaps more than anyone GFS Mark: else there, knows the public relations value of accommodating requests like GFS Mark: this.If you are personally acquainted with anyone on the funeral home staff, you GFS Mark: might be able to arrange a personal visit and, with luck, an opportunity to peruse GFS Mark: the files in which you are interested. Be forewarned, though, that you might wind GFS Mark: up with the job of organizing the old files! That could be a real pill! The founder GFS Mark: of my firm, which started back in 1905, kept records for years on the backs of GFS Mark: used envelopes; (times were hard back then.:) In cases where a firm has gone GFS Mark: out of business, the old records may have been taken in by another firm in town GFS Mark: or they may have been taken home by the owner and now rest in some relative's GFS Mark: attic. The local librarian or genealogical society may know who and where. In GFS Mark: many cases, old funeral homes records have been transcribed or microfilmed GFS Mark: and can be found in the local library. If you need to contact a funeral home in a GFS Mark: distant place, you can visit your local mortuary and ask to see its directory of GFS Mark: funeral homes. Every funeral home has at least one such directory, commonly GFS Mark: called "Red Book," "Blue Book," or "Yellow Book." These list every funeral GFS Mark: home in the United States, Canada and many foreign countries, with addresses GFS Mark: and telephone numbers. If you do not know the name of the funeral home which GFS Mark: handled the funeral, ask older relatives if they remember, refer to obituaries that GFS Mark: might have been clipped and kept, or inquire at the cemetery office, IF there is GFS Mark: an office and IF you know which cemetery. If you have obtained a copy of the GFS Mark: death certificate, you will find the funeral home noted on it. Where there are GFS Mark: several funeral homes in the town, you can narrow down the search by GFS Mark: determining which would have been in business at the time of the death. The GFS Mark: directories mentioned above contain ads from many of the listed funeral homes; GFS Mark: these often note the year the firm was founded. You can also ask one of the GFS Mark: funeral directors about which firms would have been in operation at the time. GFS Mark: There may have been ownership changes, and the firm you are seeking is still GFS Mark: operating, but under a different name. Most funeral directors are fairly GFS Mark: knowledgeable about the histories of the funeral homes in town and may be able GFS Mark: to help you determine which one you need to contact or be able to help you GFS Mark: locate the records if the firm no longer exists. If all this fails, you can always GFS Mark: inquire at every funeral home in town, hoping to score a hit at one of them. GFS Mark: Remember that most funeral directors are nice people and will respond favorably GFS Mark: to your request if you go about it in the right way. GFS Mark: Now...does anyone have a question? WTHR1: ? GFS Mark: WTHR1, go ahead GFS WillM: Teresa, go ahead. WTHR1: What year did you say Funeral Homes usually began operation? I have a burned co from 1880's Pak327: ! WTHR1: and I'm kind of stuck! wondering if Funeral Homes would go that far back! GFS Mark: there have been funeral homes around since the early 1800s S 6 A: ! SQUEEBOB: ? WTHR1: Great! Now I have to find the one out there! Thanks so much!!! ?GA GFS Mark: WTHR1: you'll have to inquire locally GFS WillM: Pak327, goahead GFS Mark: Pak327, go ahead Pak327: I found my birthmother this summer through an obituary of my grandfather GFS Mark: Pak327, that's great! you never know what you might find GFS LynnB: Queue: S 6 A !, SQUEEBOB ? GFS WillM: S 6 A, go ahead. S 6 A: I have dealt with funeral homes several times S 6 A: & they have been very helpful over the phone long distance GFS WillM: Squeebob, go ahead.. SQUEEBOB: Catholic records for Catholic cemetarty in Ohio di SQUEEBOB: difficult GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, sometimes you run into that Pak327: ? GFS WillM: Pak327, go ahead. SQUEEBOB: Catholics keep records not private funeral director GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, usually one or two mortuaries have predominantly Catholic clientele Pak327: I know on Compuserve there is a way to find phone #'s - is there a way on AOL? GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, but neither cemetery nor funeral home is REQUIRED to keep the records GFS Mark: Pak327, phone numbers of funeral homes? Pak327: no, just phone numbers of people you are searching for. Pak327: like if I had a name and a city & zip, I could punch that info. in and it would find the SQUEEBOB: ! Pak327: phone number. GFS Mark: Pak327, no GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, go ahead Pak327: thanks GFS WillM: Squeebob, Go ahead SQUEEBOB: Palm Springs has done an index through Gen Soc Chvlcadi: ? GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, many local societies and libraries have done that GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, go ahead DMiller438: Bye GFS WillM: Chvlcadi, go ahead. SQUEEBOB: also newspapers now list maiden name Chvlcadi: I am sorry, I got here late. Do funeral hms do there file more by name than date? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, they are usually filed alphabetically by year Chvlcadi: Okay, thanks. GA. GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, but it varies with the firm Chvlcadi: Okay. GFS Mark: anyone else? SQUEEBOB: ? GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, go ahead SQUEEBOB: Just a comment my brekthrough came from funeral home in Renton WA SQUEEBOB: found out my Thomas family owned cemetary GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, many researchers never think of funeral homes for research SQUEEBOB: they provided me with original deed with six of my family names mustgo thanx GFS Mark: when sometimes that is the ONLY source for some info GFS Mark: anyone else? GFS Mark: Thank you very much... if you think of more questions, please email me :-) Chvlcadi: Can you answer a ? about access to old cemetaries? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, ask me GFS LynnB: Thanks, Mark! We always appreciate learning about new resources in researching! Chvlcadi: I know of the location of an old family cemetary, but it is on private land. Chvlcadi: I there any access law? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, contact the landowner for access Chvlcadi: "Is" GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, what state? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, most states prohibit destroying the cemetery...markers, etc. Chvlcadi: VA GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, owner of land controls access, but must allow it in most states GFS WillM: Anyone else have any comments or questions? WTHR1: Mark, why is this your last nite as late nite host? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, check at library for Virginia law on that Chvlcadi: Mark, Thank you, I will. SKend24741: ? GFS Mark: WTHR1, I'll be explaining in amoment, Teresa GFS Mark: SKend24741, go ahead, Cuz SKend24741: What if the markers have already been moved GFS WillM: Chvlcadi, In West Virginia, it is a law that the cemetery have access. whether it's on priva GFS WillM: te property or not. GFS Mark: SKend24741, that's a sad situation..... happens a lot GFS Mark: SKend24741, depends upon how recent as to any remedy SKend24741: Our family cemetery in Sperryville VA it happened last summer Chvlcadi: WillM, Thanks, that is good to know. Some of the family is in WV (old VA). GFS Mark: SKend24741, but without a record, returning markers to correct spot impossible GFS Mark: SKend24741, is it on private property and who did it? SKend24741: Is it legal for the current landowner to remove them without contacting the descendants GFS Mark: SKend24741, not in Tennessee, probably not there SKend24741: I believe it was a private landowner SKend24741: Are there any remedies? GFS Mark: no matter, he is obligated to protect the cemetery GFS Mark: SKend24741, talk with an attorney about that, GFS WillM: Chvlcadi, it would be a good practice to get permission by private owner anyway. So you wont GFS WillM: buckshot by the mountaineer! SKend24741: Does it have to be an active cemetery? Chvlcadi: WillM, Good Idea! GFS Mark: Everyone: there is a file in the Genealogy Library of my talk on cemetery research GFS Mark: SKend24741, no Chvlcadi: SKend, Has a member of your family tryed to see the cemetary? SKend24741: A cousin tried to find it last year, but couldn't S 6 A: WillM, do you have access to 1880 & 1900 census in Fredricktown, Madison Co MO? GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, ALWAYS go thru private landowner to access cemetery on private land SKend24741: It was 1.2 miles north of Sperryville,Rappahannock co,VA GFS Mark: SKend24741, see an attorney SKend24741: Thanks Mark, do you know any that practice in VA Chvlcadi: Mark, we tried to see them on our first visit, but they were out of the country. I plan to GFS WillM: Are there any questions or comments? Chvlcadi: try again after the winter. Too much snow! GFS Mark: SKend24741, ask your local attorney to recommend one SKend24741: Thanks. WTHR1: ! GFS WillM: Teresa, go ahead WTHR1: SUPER JOB Mark!!! {S clap} WTHR1: I never thought to check at funeral homes before!!! GFS LynnB: You are RIGHT, Teresa! SKend24741: ? S 6 A: Yes, I agree, Teresa, SUPER JOB Mark. Now answer the question - why last nite? GFS Mark: SKend24741, ..........go ahead GFS WillM: SKend, go ahead. SKend24741: I have a burial record listing two people was that a common practice to bury two at once GFS Mark: SKend24741, yes, in some places SKend24741: in the same plot GFS Mark: yes. it's still done today in some places Chvlcadi: ! GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, go ahead Gnosi: ? SKend24741: But the relationship of the two was not stated GFS Mark: SKend24741, may have died at same time, same incident Chvlcadi: I discovered that very fact in about a Brooklyn Cem. They also seem to only bury family GFS WillM: Chvlcadi, go ahead and then Gnosi. SKend24741: They both drowned in a flood Gnosi: ! Chvlcadi: members, no other people. So it may give clues to other family members. GFS Mark: Chvlcadi, absolutely! GFS WillM: Gnosi, go ahead. GFS WillM: Any more questions or comments? Gnosi: Only family can bury family SQUEEBOB: can I assume that Conklins in Ohio next to Conklins in same Cemetary are related GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, most likel;y GFS Mark: Thanks.... This is my last night with you, and I have a farewell address :-) GFS Mark: Tonight is a sad night for me because I am giving up hosting the LateNight GFS Mark: General Session.. this is my last night with you. I'm under doctor's orders to GFS Mark: get to bed earlier than will allow me to stay with LateNight being on so late in GFS Mark: my time zone. I wish I could continue with you but old codgers like me have to GFS Mark: careful. I want you to know that some of the best times of my life have been GFS Mark: right here online with you, my dear late night friends. My two cohosts, Lynn and GFS Mark: William, have been my close friends ever since I came on AOL almost a year GFS Mark: ago. Our working together has been wonderful; I could not ask for better GFS Mark: teammates. Lynn and William, I love you both. I'll miss working with you two GFS Mark: here. And all you wonderful LateNighters, I'll miss being with you in the best GFS Mark: chat session online anywhere! I'll still be online at other times and I'm sure GFS Mark: you'll see me around some. And..who knows? I might even sneak out some GFS Mark: night and pop in here to say howdy! :-) Before I go, though, I want to leave you GFS Mark: something to remember me by........................................................... 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GFS LynnB: MARK BARKER!!!! I am NOT editing that out! GFS Mark: Is that a hug, or is THAT a HUG?????? SQUEEBOB: wish I could have been around more to garner more of your GEn wisdom SnoopyNut: Great Job Mark!! WE WILL MISS YOU!!!!!!!! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} WTHR1: Mark, we love you! and TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, for pete's sake!! GFS WillM: Mark, you will be sorely missed. Chvlcadi: Are you sure that doc knows what he's talking about? That's a mighty strong hug! GFS LynnB: Take care, Mark....I will not say goodbye because I will see you around, I know. S 6 A: Mark, we love you & take care of yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}} GFS Mark: I'll be around, for sure!!!! S 6 A: I hope your wife will understand about all these huggies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SKend24741: Take care cuz Mark please keep in touch GFS Mark: S 6 A, shhhhhhh GFS WillM: Sandi, LOL!! S 6 A: Just between you & us, Mark GFS Mark: will do, Scott GFS Mark: S 6 A, :-) SnoopyNut: Mark, things just aren't going to be the same without you!!! :-( WTHR1: But Mark, you ARE going to Nashville, right?? GFS Mark: don't make me cry, Tammy GFS Mark: I'll be in Nashville for sure!!!! GFS LynnB: I think we need something stronger than cocoa here, you all....champagne, anyone? GFS Mark: but I'll have to get to bed early! GFS WillM: Mark, Lynn and I are the three Musketeers for Late Nite SIG. SnoopyNut: Lynn, Me Me Me WTHR1: A Toast to our friend Mark! <<<<<<>>>>>> S 6 A: We'll allow you to cry if you want to, Mark. Sounds like a song, doesn't it!!!!!!!! GFS Chuck: Night, and thanks for everything, Mark. SnoopyNut: Mark, we'll see about that!!! GFS Mark: Chuck, thanks for being such a good boss for us GFS Chuck: Mark, I am just another one of the mushrooms. GFS Mark: Where's that champagne, Lynn? GFS LynnB: Mark, in NASHVILLE you will have to get to bed early? GFS WillM: Hi, Chuck!!! I didn't see you sneak in here. S 6 A: Lynn, pass around the champagne!!!!!!!!!! SnoopyNut: Howdy Chuck :-) GFS Mark: Lynn, I just said that for the record.. you know me better GFS Chuck: William, I came in for a few minutes. I just could not miss this night. GFS WillM: Must be a tiny mushrooms...LOL!! GFS LynnB: Mark, here! I am not going to draw little teeny glasses for you guzzlers! S 6 A: Hi Chuck {{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} GFS Mark: ::::chugalugging from bottle::::: SnoopyNut: Lynn LOL WTHR1: well guys, I'm gonna have to go soon! I've been fighting off my husband's cold!!! GFS Chuck: Mark, on second thought, guy, you can have my Bud Light. GFS LynnB: Teresa, boooo, I am sorry to hear that. GFS Chuck: Light=Lite WTHR1: LOL Chuck GFS Mark: Take care, {{{Teresa}} I'll see you around GFS LynnB: Awwwww, Chuck, you are such a good sharer! SnoopyNut: Teresa, GET WELL SOON!!!! Night WTHR1: Sure nuff Mark! And tell Vampula hi for me!!! WTHR1: and David! LOL S 6 A: Teresa, be careful!!!!!!!! Nite & have a good one. Talk with ya later {{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}} SQUEEBOB: goodnight warmth enjoyed much GFS Mark: gee, thanks, Chuck... say, it's not good to mix this stuff WTHR1: Sure nuff Sandi!!! I'll give you a call!! :) GFS WillM: Mark, you better leave your thingie here for all of us to remember by.!!! GFS Mark: SQUEEBOB, hurry back..these folks are great WTHR1: thingie?? GFS LynnB: Thanks for coming, Teresa, get some sleep! GFS WillM: LOL!!!! S 6 A: Gotta go just checked clock. WOW!!!!!!!!! Nite & have a good one {{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}} GFS LynnB: oh NO, William, don't START THAT AGAIN! GFS Mark: William... YOU will have to explain THAT one! WTHR1: did I miss something?? SnoopyNut: Night Sandi {{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}} Chvlcadi: Scott, Alot of Virginians don't like people messin' w/our history. I will try to help you g S 6 A: CYA, Mark, be careful & behave & do what the doctor tells you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GFS LynnB: {{{{Sandi}}}}}} take care! Thanks for stopping by! SnoopyNut: William LOL GFS WillM: WTHR1: Ok!! Fess up!! Chvlcadi: get you more info on the cemetary problem. RCF88: Can anyone tell me if there is a forum for adoptees searching for birthparents? GFS LynnB: Mark, not in MY room, he isn't gonna explain it! WTHR1: RCF, yes, search keyword adoption!! GFS WillM: RCF88, go to Keyword Adoption SnoopyNut: RCF, yes there is! It's keyword Adoption WTHR1: William!! IM! GFS Chuck: Night to all. Thanks for the Memories. SnoopyNut: Night Chuck!!! WTHR1: Nite chuck! SKend24741: Thanks, a Jack Johnston told me about it I think he lives in Jeffersonton RCF88: Thanks GFS Mark: GFS LynnB, I HOPE not!!!!!! GFS WillM: Nite, Chuck!! GFS LynnB: [{{{Chuck}}}}}} See you soon! WTHR1: Well, this time I'm really out of here!! WTHR1: Nite all!! And you guys continue with your wonderful new year!!! GFS WillM: {{{{{{{{{{{{{Teresa}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} GFS LynnB: Well, after all that, does anyone feel like posting their surnames? GFS WillM: OPEN CHAT!!!!! Time for ROLL CALL!!! GFS LynnB: I see some new faces, we might make a cuz! SnoopyNut: APGER, ATCHLEY, BLODGETT, BOSTON, BUSHNELL, CASSETTY OrmYevaud: What topic/talk didI just miss?? SnoopyNut: COLLINS, DEPEW, EAKINS, GAMMEL, GLENN, GOAD, HAMILTON GFS LynnB: ALDEN, ALLEN, BALDWIN, BERGER, BICKHAM, BRUEN, BULLOCK, GFS LynnB: CLEMENT, COLLINS, DAUTHENDEY, DeJERSEY, DUNN, FICHT, FRAZIER, SnoopyNut: HARE, HUGHES, JENKINS, LIGHTFOOT, PACK, PEDEN, PRATT GFS LynnB: GARWOOD, GRINNELL, HANCOCK, HANSEN, GFS WillM: Please post your Surnames and states you are researching.. SnoopyNut: QUENELL, REINECKE, REYNOLDS, ROACH, RODERICK SnoopyNut: SEAGRAVES, STARK, STEPHENS, SPRIDGEN, STEPHENSON GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, it was on Researching Funeral Home Records SnoopyNut: WILLIAMS, WITCHER, WOODS, WREN, ZOOK GFS WillM: Surnames= RICHARDSON, WILLIAMS, MARTIN, BLOFELD, ODELL, GFS WillM: WALKER, EDDY, AMICK, MOORE, MOREHOUSE, TENNANT, GFS WillM: DEVINE, COOK, PITSENBARGER, NUTTER, COPELAND, GFS WillM: HATFIELD, MASTERS, McCLUNG. All in WVa area, OrmYevaud: DAILY, ERVIN, FORD, GRAHAM, KILBUCK, MAHAFFEY/MEHAFFEY, MCCANDLESS, MCCONNELL, MCCONAUGHY, PAXTON ALLPEDS: Pedersen,Hillstrom, Rhodus, West, Watkins OrmYevaud: ROMIG, SPEER Chvlcadi: BAYLOR, BRONISKA, CARLSON, COMINSKY, GIBBONS, GUSTAFSON, GWYNN, LINDSAY, ... GFS LynnB: HERITAGE, HOPPER, HUGG, HUNT, MANZ, MAYHEW or MAYHAM, GFS LynnB: PABODIE, REDFIELD, REILLY, RICH, ROBERTS, ROOT, RUSSELL, SKILL, GFS LynnB: SOUTHWORTH, STARR, SWIGERT, YAEGER, WANGER OrmYevaud: ufacturers? Chvlcadi: MAXWELL, MOORE, PERDEW, RINGOLD, RATHMAN, SEARLE, SCHROER, VAN FOSSEN,... GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, excuse me? OrmYevaud: Snoopynut--does your Seagraves have anything to do with the firetruck manufacturers?? GFS Mark: Goodnight, All Chvlcadi: WHITING, WASHINGTON, WIGGINS. OrmYevaud: Lynn--screwup! ;) GFS LynnB: Goodnight, Mark! GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, we all have them! Chvlcadi: Goodnite, Mark. Thanks for the help! ALLPEDS: LynnB. Where are the Russells that you're researching? JohnM PaVa: GFS Mark, good luck, has the doctor said when you can come back. CINDY13: Lynn, is it possible your FICHT's were WICHT's? SKend24741: night mark GFS WillM: {{{{{{{{{{Mark}}}}}}}}}}}}}} See you at the WBTS SIG!! GFS LynnB: ALLPEDS, they are in PA GFS LynnB: CINDY13, no, sorry, they were FICHTS in Germany ALLPEDS: My s-in law is a Russell in Ca, from Oklahoma during the depression. Sorry. GFS LynnB: SuPenelope, what names are you searching? SKend24741: Yeneew, what about your Bradley and Lee lines? GFS LynnB: ALLPEDS, ahhhh, but how did they GET to CA, from PA maybe? SuPenelope: pilz or koercher (spelling kircher maybe) GFS LynnB: SuPenelope, German? PA Dutch? OrmYevaud: LYNN--WHEN WILL THE FUNERAL HOME TALK BE AVAILABLE IN THE LIBRaries?? sorry to shout. SuPenelope: German YENEEW: MINE ARE FROM VT AND IL ALLPEDS: Possibly, they were farmers in OK, wiped out in the dustbowl. I'll find out more tomorrow. SKend24741: SNAPE, SNAPP, SNIPE, SNIPES GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, I will upload it tomorrow, it generally takes about a week SKend24741: Okay mine are in VA GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, there are a couple of Mark's other talks in there you might find interesting GFS LynnB: ALLPEDS, thanks OrmYevaud: Would you consider sending me a copy if I ask nicely? :) SKend24741: Does anyone have access to Stafford co records???? GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, that was very nicely done, sure! SuPenelope: first names are wenzel pilz and francisca koecher(married to wenzel pilz) SKend24741: Thats Stafford co VA Chvlcadi: Me. OrmYevaud: I just got four death certs in the mail and am champing at the bit! ;) GFS WillM: Skend, what time period? OrmYevaud: Lynn--THANKS!! GFS LynnB: OrmYevaud, I can send it to you, of COURSE! SKend24741: Chvlcadi, you have access? SKend24741: about 1820-1850 GFS WillM: SKend, what name are you researching in Strafford Co. VA? SKend24741: I need information on a Robert of George Snipe Chvlcadi: I live REAL near AND my library has alot of their info. GFS WillM: Robert Snipe? SKend24741: They were listed in teh 1810 and 1820 census but no later. Chvlcadi: That is Stafford, right? SKend24741: I believe he may have died after 1820 SuPenelope: i have wenzel immigrating from ?? to us approx. 1882 francisca in 1883. SKend24741: yes Stafford SuPenelope: Could find no immigration records on either of them SKend24741: He may have had a dau Mary b 1781 and m Bird Braxton Kendall in 1802 Aklogue: COWLES/REAVIS/COVEY/BARCLAY/HART/SHARP/MADDEN/HOPKINS/SCRANTON Chvlcadi: SK, e-mail me the info you have & I'll see what I can come up with. GFS WillM: Hi, WSherrouse. Welcome to the Midnight General Chat SIG!! SKend24741: thanks chvlcadi, still haven't found anything on your perdew family WSherrouse: hello GFS WillM: Robert Snipe is listed in Stafford Co. VA 1820 census page 184 WSherrouse: does anyone know anything about the Hammock family please tell me GFS WillM: Hi, JBaczuk. Welcome to the Midnight General Chat SIG!! Chvlcadi: SK, no problem. Do you know an area in Stafford? WSherrouse: or maybe Dishman / someone please respond SKend24741: Not yet GFS WillM: Hi, MarkB853. Welcome to the Midnight General Chat SIG!! JBaczuk: Hi, any particular subject being discussed? Chvlcadi: I ask because some of that county is part of Quantico Marine Base, if a cemetary existed. MarkB853: Hi {{{{{{{{{{{{{ ALL}}}}}}}}}}}}} I was just signing off and peeked in SnoopyNut: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{mark}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} GFS WillM: JBaczuk, Open chat. We did have a lecture on Researching Funeral Home Research MarkB853: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Snoop }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} WSherrouse: does anyone have any info on the Hammock family from Tenn,Va, Ga GFS WillM: Research=records SuPenelope: any manitowoc wisconsin records? JBaczuk: Thanks, GFS, sorry I missed it. MarkB853: anyone with WYCKOFF, I'm trying for two bingos tonite LOL ALLPEDS: OrmYevaud: Is Orm a family name? GFS LynnB: JBaczuk, it will be available in the Library in about a week WSherrouse: can someone please tell me the basics how do I get into the libraries and use them? WSherrouse: I'm very new at this still/ I would really appreciate it JBaczuk: Thanks, LynnB. I'll look for it. OrmYevaud: Allpeds, no it is derived from a fictional dragon. :) Chvlcadi: I know of a Wikoff family in CA. OrmYevaud: I think. ALLPEDS: MarkB853: There was a WYKOFF family settled here in CA, early this century. MarkB853: There are several spellings MarkB853: any history or genealogy ? Chvlcadi: Does Phillp C. Wikoff, this century, ring any bells? GFS WillM: Hi, So 2 Fine. Welcome to the Midnight General Chat SIG!! SnoopyNut: APGER, ATCHLEY, BLODGETT, BOSTON, BUSHNELL, CASSETTY SnoopyNut: COLLINS, DEPEW, EAKINS, GAMMEL, GLENN, GOAD, HAMILTON So 2 Fine: Hi SnoopyNut: HARE, HUGHES, JENKINS, LIGHTFOOT, PACK, PEDEN, PRATT SnoopyNut: QUENELL, REINECKE, REYNOLDS, ROACH, RODERICK MarkB853: Nope :( SnoopyNut: SEAGRAVES, STARK, STEPHENS, SPRIDGEN, STEPHENSON GFS WillM: WSherrouse, There is a main Genealogy Forum Menu just before you came in the room SnoopyNut: WILLIAMS, WITCHER, WOODS, WREN, ZOOK GFS WillM: It listed several different area you can click into. OrmYevaud: SNOOPYNUT-- are your SEAGRAVES the firetruck manufacturers? GFS WillM: Hi, DWmsDJns. Welcome to the Midnight General Chat SIG!! Chvlcadi: Oh well, gota try for those bingos. SnoopyNut: Orm, don't know that yet :( OrmYevaud: Snoop--just wondered DWmsDJns: Thanks WillM SKend24741: Chvlcadie, Just found Robert Snipe on page 129 of the 1810 census of VA--Stafford co SnoopyNut: Orm, might have to keep that in mind!!! ALLPEDS: Mark, I'm not sure about Philip. It's Solano County, CA. I'll ask around. MarkB853: I have WICKOFF but NJ, and NY MarkB853: Ok thanks Chvlcadi: Mark, keep my name and if Phillip comes up, let me know. SnoopyNut: Gotta Run guys!! Busy day tomorrow with the new SIG starting MarkB853: Nite {{{{{{{Snoop}}}}}}} Chvlcadi: He was m to Rachel Elizabeth Hausem. SnoopyNut: Night all {{{{{{{{Lynn, WIllM, John, Linda, Mark, everyone else}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} GFS WillM: {{{{{{{{{{[[Tammy}}}}}}}}}}} Seeya tomorrow!! GFS LynnB: {{{{[{Tammy}}}}}}} JohnM PaVa: SnoopyNut, what SIG? JohnM PaVa: bye Tammy. SnoopyNut: William, Yep! 2 pm ET I be there!!!! GFS WillM: John, Tammy is a new cohost for the Mid Western SIG at 3:00PM EST SnoopyNut: John, I'm hosting the new Daytime Midwestern SIG SnoopyNut: Thank ya mentor William :-) GFS WillM: Tammy is it 2:00 or 3:00 EST? MarkB853: LOL, GMTA JohnM PaVa: boo, I have no ancestors daring enough to travel west. SnoopyNut: William, 2 ET SnoopyNut: Mark, LOL SuPenelope: PILZ, GORSCH OR JORSCH, LEFEBVRE, CHRISTENSEN, BRUGGER SnoopyNut: John, you could still come say hello!! :-) JohnM PaVa: I will sometime. SnoopyNut: John, great!!!!!! SnoopyNut: Night all !!!! ALLPEDS: What Christiansen? SuPenelope: OLAF MarkB853: BILYEU, BALLOU, BILLIOU, BELEW, other spellings SuPenelope: AND WIFE JULIA GFS LynnB: Goodnight, and thanks for coming to Late Night Chat! GFS LynnB: See you next week, 12 midnight here in the Treehouse! GFS LynnB: LOG IS CLOSED EVERYONE!!!!